/vrg/ - Virtual Reality General #1793

>>546308285 (OP)
>face tracker in two weeks edition

>no mention of lighthouse compatibility
hope you enjoy your $1000 paperweights, no refunds btw

I'm legitimately sad because of valve announcing how shit the steam frame is and ending index controllers.

>>546308557
>>546308629
t. bigshit beyond poo buyers remorse

this is all just preamble to 2028 when they release Full-life and steamOS for PC and gabe gets his big meaty claws around bill gates pencil neck
total gabe supremacy

Stop playing vr chat. Lavender is better.

The steam frame looks like an excellent well polished 2023 headset.

wish they released lighthouse version of the new controllers
stuck with cuckles forever

When I purchased my quest pro sometime last year (600€, ~700$), I thought I would regret it. I thought the Deckard would drop and I'd kick myself to see it have OLED, native face tracking, native lighthouse support while still being wireless. I was honestly so ready to cry, shelf my qpro and just drop another 1,000$ straight up.

Today, I feel nothing. This headset is junk meant for a target market that will use VR once and then throw it into the cupboard. I know a bunch of tech enthusiast irl from work and similar who have VR headsets and they treat it like that. They wear it maybe three times a year. That's your target market, not the daily driver AGP vrtroons (me).

Gaben is a nigger and I cast myocarditis upon him, he can go join Jelly in the pearly gates. Fucking TRASH.

>>546308940
Would be nice actually, but it would require a complete redesign.

I don't mind lack of face tracking because nobody even looks at me and i wear my anxiety mental breakdown on my face 24/7 anyway

>>546308557
on one hand i don't have to have a panic attack wondering if they're going to have blinking red light of death every time i get on vr, on the other thyre going to be obsolete. man, dont even get me started if they start no longer selling index cables. thts my biggest fear. i can maybe get out 2 more years of my current one but who knows how much they'll go for offmarket. too grim to think about

Meanwhile me here still waiting for Shitfall Flip controllers

>>546308965
>have OLED, native face tracking, native lighthouse support while still being wireless
You should have paid attention to the leaks instead of expecting fantasy shit. But I supposed living in a fantasy land of delusion is par for the course for trannies.

>D and S made a bet a year ago if SteamFrame was releasing in 2025 or 2026
>loser has to suck the others real cock
Oh S oh dear lol!!!!

>>546309141
Who?

>>546308452 (Cross-thread)
I wonder if you can still play PCVR only worlds on a frame headset? Wonder how that's going to work out.

Thanks for coming to photos! Use this as an anchor post.

>>546309087
how dare I dream of a product to actually have features i want

>>546309282
Playing standalone on Frame is just playing your Steam library, so you'd just launch the PC version of the game

>>546309363

No direct Displayport is a dealbraker to me, I mainly bought VR for racing games, where I'd rather just plug the headset in

Gamer's Nexus' video has a shot of the Steamlink debug graph, showing a latency of about 12ms. The best I've ever seen anyone get is about 20ms, with 30ms being more common, so 10-20ms improvement over your average Quest 3 experience probably.
Elsewhere they list numbers as low as 8ms end-to-end, which probably doesn't take the game render time and such into consideration.
Might actually be acceptably low
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUxObt1efQ

>>546309781
ah yes no no no i dont want 2ms latency wireless i want to be cabled to a pc with the same latency.
you people gotta be retarded it has the same update rate as an index

Can't wait for people to buy the Frame + cube, launch a PCVR game on the cube and cry that PCVR games in 4k run badly on an RX 7400

>>546309363

I'm fucking glad volvo didn't listen to any of you retards, I don't wanna pay $2k for a headset.
>>546309937
no no no you don't get it he's a pro racing driver he can't use foveated streaming because his eyes simply move too fast for the tracking to keep up

>>546309937
I'm sitting down, I don't need to use wireless and use the battery. I'll use wireless for games where I'm actually moving around.

>>546309937
Zoomzoom babies cry whenever they see a power cable, rather strap 30 pounds of batteries to some part of their body (and run a cable anyways)

>>546310171
ah yes ofcourse how could i be such an idiot... i forgot everyone here is fucking max verstappen lmao

>>546309937
>>546310171
>samefagging this hard just because someone wants a feature present on pretty much every other headset

>>546308965
i would have been happy with an oled index

95% of you niggas sit down or stand still 24/7 anyway wtf do you care if there is a cable it aint like you're moving around

>>546308965
>When I purchased my quest pro
Sorry bro you got scammed but in the other direction. Enjoy the facetracking at the cost of every bit of QOL being sucked away from you by your hardware being zuckshit.

>>546309363

for me? it's a lightweight tethered headset
gonna get a real racing seat and recline very much

>>546310685
Troons coping about their $1000 troony trackers setup being obsolete

Alright give it to me straight then.
I'm still on an OG vive cause I missed the index bus and didn't want to commit to the frankenzucc setup in the hope Valve wouldn't be shit.
Now that it's looking pretty confirmed dogshit, what's the best option? How much of a hassle is it to make quest pro (or whatevers best from questoids now with FT/fingers I didnt pay attention) play nice with PCVR wirelessly? Is the bigmeme 2 (RMA lottery lmao) any better in comparison? How grim is it looking?
I need other people who have actually owned these things to feed me opinions.

DON'T IGNORE ME I NEED ANSWERS

>>546310971
bad bait there's not even a tracker alternative

>>546311003
>I'm still on an OG vive
how have you not killed yourself from your hardware being older than a pharaoh
get an index man, surely some retard will be selling one used thinking the new garbage will be good (it won't be good)

>>546311028
https://www.amazon.com/Vive-Ultimate-Tracker-Dongle-Full-Body-Tracking/dp/B0CQPQ659X

>>546311121
>Ultimate-Tracker
>i/o camera slop
no thanks? this shit is way overpriced?
at least post fluxes oh wait you can't buy them because they don't exist

>>546311003
bsb2 now
or wait and see if pimax dream air SE is a scam
or wait until frame comes out

>>546311003
are you retarded? are you just taking posts of /vrg/ shitposters at face value without doing literally any research of your own?
kill yourself, unironically

>>546309363

>>546309363
Bird, my only good photo got ruined by an accidental filter fml

>>546311215
>slop

>>546311403
your post is lazy repostslop and your idea of what makes a good headset and tracker setup is current-thingslop

>>546311003
Im on a CV1 and genuinely considering a frame. Even if the specs are outdated its still gonna be double my current resolution.
I would wait for the price, if its competetive then it might really not be so bad as a CV1/vive upgrade.

>>546309363

>>546311028
Erm no you can use the slimes the ULTIMATE vive trackers (they are called this because they actually work better than the flawless 3.0s) or even xbox kinect and play station move.

So, actually, there are MANY alternatives to lighthouse tracking.

Moreover, when Fluxpose is released we will have an even BETTER option because it certainly wont be another in a long line of disappointments.

>>546309363
>>546311275

>>546311116
>how have you not killed yourself from your hardware being older than a pharaoh
Gabe refused to sell the index to me until it was already ancient
>>546311226
No more waiting I need it NOW
>>546311263
God forbid I fucking ask for the opinions of real anons instead of 'researching' paid advertisement review shillposts from people who know they can't say mean things if they want to continue getting review shit before release and only use the headset for maybe 10-20 hours before doing their writeup and never touching it again unironically kill yourself.

>>546311476
Nice non-opinion postslop

>>546309363
>>546311546

>>546311504
>MANY alternatives to lighthouse tracking
I will concede on this point but not on the idea that any of them are better.

>tfw can't even max EA WRC settings with Vive
is higher resolution even good if you have to lower settings

It's fucking over

>>546311618
ah, yes, "real anons" who don't have an agenda at all
you either have been here less than a week or have genuine brain damage

Alright vrg
I lurk here most of the time but for now I want to get the dedicated opinions of only the most enthusiast of the market
We're going to be developing a Steam Frame Pro, but we're still trying to figure out what features and upgrades to add to it over the Frame Vanilla
What do you guys want?

>>546311894
But anon, just think, you can play flat games with your vr headset!!! It will be like a steam deck on your face!!
Just imagine, you can now have a vastly inferior and more uncomfortable experience with inferior controllers for just a few hundred dollars!

>>546311003
Index is an alright upgrade if you can get it at a decent price (don't let index users meme you into paying $1k for a 5yo headset)
BSB is fine too but thats still a $1000 headset + cost of knuckles and base stations
>Qpro meme in 2025
lol
If you care about FBT/Finger tracking Index is an obvious choice and if you want wireless get a Q3S and slap an extra tracker on it and you're golden. If you want face tracking too Frame is probably gonna be your best bet + better latency compared to Q3S.

>>546311003
The real answer is to buy an extra tundra or 3.0 for whatever Black Friday sale they have and wait and see.

They keep their value pretty well so you have nothing to lose especially if you are already in the base station ecosystem.

>>546311894
waggleslop is over
reclinechads won

>>546311841
No one can max it out in VR, i'm running low-medium on 3080ti. Even if you'll manage to get good framerate in a specific scenario, two things will happen
>it'll run like shit in different weather/location anyway
>visually, you'll probably benefit more from no AA + high res + downsampling than you did from max details

don't bother, low details gaming

>>546311226
>pimax dream air SE
The name could be longer

>>546311003
The bigshit 2e has been good to me, even got lucky on the RMAs so far. With the price you pay you at least get top-tier support, they'll redo face gaskets/send free cables/rma basically anything.

>>546311546
I need chiffon K to step on me.

>>546308859
that'll be $999.99

>>546311902
>ah, yes, "real anons" who don't have an agenda at all
Less so than reviewniggers retard
>less than a week
Did you miss the part where I have an OG vive? Been here since the start bro...
>>546312086
quest shits out so many versions idk which is the one everyone uses for face tracking
i really want face tracking and dont really want to cope on frame getting an add on in 2 more weeks
>>546312093
was going to need to buy them anyway cause i only have 2.0s (formerly 1.0s until they ran out of battery life)
>>546312225
whats the turnaround time on the RMAs?

>>546309363
>Don't you believe in fairies?

>>546312412
Steam Frame getting a mouth tracking addon is inevitable don't let some retarded anons try to tell you otherwise. If Valve doesn't deliver (not that I expect them to) some autistic furry or jap will.

>>546312225
>whats the turnaround time on the RMAs?
likely depends on where you live but from their warehouse in LA to Colorado and back took about 2mikuwikus

>>546311961
OLED
Human FOV
Diopter adjustment
Displayport
60 GHz wireless with a powerful decoder for non-compression wireless
Full color passthrough
Face tracking
Hand tracking
Shitfall Flip style controllers with Quest Pro 360 degree tracking, finger tracking and PS5 style adaptive triggers
And most importantly, new games

>>546312086
>>546311003
you can buy an index cheap af from tundra
get it while you can because it will probably go up since there is zero fresh supply
index controllers are the undisputed goat
>>546312412
>i really want face tracking
your options are quest pro or some home bullshit

NA anime tonight at 10 pm est in vrchat
https://rentry.org/i3t5ozt8/

Azumanga - 19
Azumanga - 20
Alma-chan - 06
Kaken Rider Naritai - 06
IS - 06

Will post instance link when it's up. You can wait until 11 to join to skip azumanga

>>546312728
>Full color passthrough
i do not understand why anyone cares about this

this is gonna be the SoC thats gonna run your frame

>>546311003
I think Frame has a good chance of being a decent headset, if display won't be shit and latency will be handled well (everything so far suggests they did some autism in that direction), this might be a solid Index 2, assuming it won't cost rumored $1200. But if you want BSB2, I have one and honestly I can recommend it despite shitting on it in thread so much. It's crazy light, image is crazy sharp, software is decent, customer service seems to be fast though it's a fucking discord channel and because of that i feel like i'm not being taken seriously, but that's a pet peeve, I had no rma-tier hardware issues so far, and they send new gaskets on request even if you're unsure if you need one. It's overpriced, it's ridden with various small downsides, but if I could turn back time, I'd buy it again.

But don't despair on Frame just yet, wait for emotions to cool down and for proper opinions to form. This really seems like a potentially decent device to me.

>>546311961
Index but smaller and everything doesn't break after a year of use

>>546310685
I haven't touched my turning joystick in over a year. It feels like I'm driving a fucking tank unless I turn around physically.

>>546312917
I want to chill in my comfy armchair next to my comfy fireplace and play some flat game in VR while seeing my surroundings

>>546311961
lighthouse faceplate, face tracker, eye tracking including eyelids and eyebrows, maybe oled if display turns out to be meh.

>>546312617
>If Valve doesn't deliver (not that I expect them to) some autistic furry or jap will.
2nd class citizen lmao

>>546312917
Nobody cares about this.

>>546310685
I hate tripping over the cable when I try to move around. Even when I'm sitting down I hate keeping track of where my cable is so I don't accidentally yank it when I move my chair.

i want to play pavlov

>>546313089
freak

>>546313261
skill issue....

Basically a good headset if you play VR games wirelessly. Thanks gaben.

>>546313491
great news for the 5% of people who play vr games!
i bet they can't wait for all the exciting new releases like... asseto corsa and pavlov?

https://youtu.be/8x49XBlrBz0?t=2085
At least it sounds like we can still flip people off

Woo! Finally, the Quest 2.5!

>>546313640
/vg/ - Video Game Generals

Where's ShillSeeker's video?

>>546313640
The people who give a shit about wired headsets and latency are a minority of autists. Most people don't find 0.00001ms of latency completely unplayable believe it or not.

>>546312917
It's a quality of life feature. Much nicer than peeking through the nose gap or having to take off the headset for something minor like finding your drink or pouring another one.

>>546309363

>>546313803
Uninvited

>>546314345
Grayscale passthrough has been enough for me in these use cases

atleast it has an NPU so we can run AI on it

>>546314030
so are people who give a shit about vr period
i do want a wireless headset but i also want an enthusiast headset if i wanted some middle of the road thing then i would get a quest because that will always be the cheapest option
what we got was an expensive, but good, quest and while it is a good quest it is still a quest

>>546314552
>Uninvited
Good riddance.

>>546309363

>>546309363
Two anons about to move to gensokyo

You think we'll have a big influx of newfags after the Frame releases or just a few here and there trickling in?

>>546314742
There's already the Play for Dream for enthusiasts.

R.E.P.O. has a VR mod and is currently on sale!
I have to try it out first but if it works fine I will host it soon during EU times. (9pm-12pm CET ~ish) get it NOWNOWNWONWOWNW

>>546315554
>wirelessslop
>XR/MR not VR
>chyna
dogshit peddled by people seeking display resolution at the cost of literally everything else i guess

>>546315534
in the thread yes
in instances no

>>546315534
Can't be worse than Quest 2 release

>>546315724
just say you're too poor

>>546315534
depends on if the Gabecube releases same time or not imo
if the gabecube releases same day maybe less people will be interested in the Frame
I was able to get deck oled special edition on launch easily enough
worried scalpers will tear through this shit even though no one likes VR

>>546315836
0.5RMB deposited into your WeChat Pay account!

>>546315534
Really doubt Frame will get any mainstream appeal, it does nothing special, nothing grand, aside of yet another attempt of selling steam machines. Quest does most of the stuff Frame does, so if someone would be interested in what Frame offers, he'd already have a Quest. Sure, it probably does many things better, and PC flat gaming gimmick is nothing to scoff at, but imo this entire "steam hardware ecosystem" gimmick is not all that appealing to the average joe. Normies will hear linux and run the fuck away, PC vidya enthusiasts already have a device that outperforms gabecube, VR enthusiasts already have a headset.

>>546315965
you can have it back, you need it more than me.

will they call the launch title alyx 2 or HL3?

im convinced people are just shitting on the frame to ensure they can buy one on release lmao
you people wouldnt know the best vr headset if it shat down your throat.

>>546309403
This but unironic

>>546316048
>Full-life

>>546316080
It's literally just a sidegrade to the quest 3 dude, get over yourself.

>>546316013
the Frame™®© ended flat gaming

>>546316080
The index is the best vr headset.
We prayed for better.
GabeN did not answer.

>>546309363

>>546316048
There is no launch title they said there will be no new first party vr games. They are all in on flat game streaming.

>>546316149
ah yes an upgrade in every single possible way to any vr headset on the market is a sidegrade..

>>546311961
stick with the light house tracking
oled screen setup the screen autists suggest
eye tracking with eyebrow upperface tracking
lower face tracking with the tongue tracking like vive / project babble
finger tracking
fbt hip, feet pucks included

we literally just want an index 2.0 that uses light houses
let me repeat that

A BETTER INDEX
OLED SCREENS
FACE TRACKING
WITH LIGHT HOUSE TRACKING BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WORKS AND ITS STILL THE BEST
PARTS THAT DONT BREAK
CONTROLLER FINGER TRACKING LIKE INDEX CONTROLLERS
FBT INCLUDED
not a single person who knows anything about PC VR will be able in good conscious to suggest anything else if that's the package of the index 2.

i dont give a single fuck about pass through i dont know why people want that if you need to sacrifice that for all of the above no actual VR PC hardcore gamer will care

>>546316367
lmao.

>missed over 1200 posts while at work
welp something happened for sure
is there a tl;dr summary so far of whats been found out?

>>546316451
I could build this but I wouldn't have a clue what to do on the software side

>>546316451
sorry chud, enjoy your tracking drift and playspace calibration!

>>546316606
just go on the steam store and read nigga

>>546316013
>"steam hardware ecosystem" gimmick is not all that appealing to the average joe
the average joe is going extinct. people are increasingly turning to vidya because real life increasingly sucks

>>546316606
Valve announced new hardware first time in 4 years

>>546316606
tldr hold on to your index and take care of it because there's not going to be anything better for another 10 years

>>546311961
Literally just an Index with OLED.

>>546316261
>oculus quest
>but 2026
Ok...

>>546316606
Valve announced deckard
Valve killed pcvr
There is a new steam controller

>>546316710
hehe 2 year old index cable go crackle crackle pop!

>>546316327
they said theyre not developing any (because HL3 is already finished)

>>546316806
>Valve killed pcvr
You can't kill what's already dead

>>546316606
quest 2.5: Linux edition is coming out

>>546316813
the fuck did you do to yours, get it stuck in your chair's wheels and torture it?
some people

>>546316813
I just bought 2 cables lol

>>546316451
>WITH LIGHT HOUSE TRACKING BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WORKS AND ITS STILL THE BEST
FUCKING THIS LET ME TURN MY FUCKING LIGHTS OFF IN MY ROOM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>546316980
could've spent that money towards a better headset

>>546316813
Just got a new one and have 4 more on the way. when I saw the announcement and details I immediately ordered thousands of dollars worth of index equipment with the money I was saving hoping the deckard would be good, 4 more lighthouses and 6 more cables as backups as well as 3 pairs of knuckles.

>>546317071
Yeah like the [future space to be filled]

I have literally shat on every single headset since the index.
bigshit beyond is awful and will die on you from sweating and youll be stuck with discord server support. oh and $1800 for just the headset oh and no real eye tracking or ft
qpro is literally a quest 2 with ft +100 pixels lmao

frame has literally everything we asked for and more -ft on release which is so obviously gonna be an addon.
and if you are sitting there thinking it needs base stations you are retarded beyond belief base stations are measurable less accurate and the one leg up they did have (update frequency) is shat on by frame also..

ts has fully convinced me that you guys are worse at judging headsets than shillseeker dude actual braindead dribbling retards in this thread.

>>546316619
build it and let the devs come to you to make the software!

>>546317121

>>546313803
He’s been crying about it in his discord

>>546317263
qpro oled is nice but the headset isn't great overall

>>546317263
it's gonna be $800 for a LCD headset that has black and white passthrough

this pretty much confirms there is no valve-made VorpX thing coming with the Frame huh?
Those "leaks" about multi-tiered "verified for frame, frame+3d, full VR" was just someone memeing all along
I know it says they're expanding the "verified" store tags, but if you could play Hades2 in 3D they probably would've advertised that

>>546317263
>no real eye tracking or ft
whats the fucking point lmao, who keeps making these PCVR headsets without the full suite of goonertech in nearly 2026?
>m-muh racing games
noones buying a big meme just for assetto

>>546317121
can i tap tap an extra one ill pay you 50 for it

>>546317263
no oled, inside out only, shitty looking controller design, lmao. "Everything we asked for and more" my ass

>>546317263
>frame has literally everything we asked for
>we
I asked for lighthouses, cables, and double/treble the resolution. Not a minor resolution upgrade, standalone hardware (I don't need standalone, this needlessly inflates cost), and FORCED WIRELESS

>>546316451
btw Anything less than this means your ideal target user "hardcore PC VR gamer" is going to hybridize whatever you give them in order to fix any of those deficiencies

your hardcore pc vr gamer almost 95% of the time also plays vrchat
which means they have light houses and htey will be wearing light house tracked FBT even if you make a headset that doesn't use light houses, like the light houses will be a part of the setup regardless unless you deliver some kind of full body FBT with the Frame Pro that is better than light house FBT

im coping that the controller tracking will be good enough to not have to trex in vrc... maybe there will be an addon for rear tracking...

If you just want to play vr games then there hasn't been any reason to upgrade your headset for years and there still isn't. You can be using a fucking vive and get the same experience.

>>546317397
>>546317446
oh yeah mb i forgot no oled on frame but we'll see what they did with the lcd when it releases fully

>>546317263
There's too many people here with too many different desires for VR. It was always going to make some of them seethe.

>>546317263
>and if you are sitting there thinking it needs base stations you are retarded beyond belief base stations are measurable less accurate
Shove a rusty spike up your ass I want to play with lights off

>>546317515
sorry I plan to use all I bought for the next few decades, and any extra i'm saving to sell once production of the parts ends and the aftermarket price skyrockets.

>>546317647
Frame works in the dark

>>546317681
Please sir....just snip off the ends a touch and i'll satisfy myself with just the bits....

>>546317397
Controllers were also good because they had baseless 360 degree tracking, but they ate through batteries pretty quickly

>>546317121
kek

>>546317519
>>546317585
>>546317647
please read actual fucking research before opening your fat fucking slobbering mouth downy

>>546317696
proof: ...

>>546317397
quest pro doesnt have oled

>>546317607
>will be good enough to not have to trex in vrc
hahahaha the controllers don't have cameras haha have fun holding your hands in front of your face

>>546317263
>bigshit beyond
stopped reading there

>>546317843
>im coping that the controller tracking will be good enough to not have to trex
What is trex?

>>546317263
>no real eye tracking or ft
nigga never heard of baballonia

>>546317263
if that's all true then the Pro just needs OLED screens and a FBT solution that can do 5 point and 9 point and that's it PCVR secured mission accomplished

>>546317810
whatever you say, 3 pointer.

>saves Steam Frame
nothing personnel, kid

>>546317824

>>546317940
3 pointer pose, standing with your hands in front of you to make sure they are in camera view.

>>546317810
>accuracy and precision
>system that misreads things sometimes vs system that just makes shit up as it goes along
are you kidding yourself shitzlo

>>546317996
read it, retard
https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3463914.3463921

How will calibrating to basestations work? Those cameras might be able to detect the light from the basestation and auto calibrate, which would be nice but i doubt that it will do that by default. I really cope they don't make you strap a tracker to the hmd...

>>546318147
>when brad said the deckard IS the lighthouse he was just creaming his pants over this
lol
lmao

>>546318246
>I really cope they don't make you strap a tracker to the hmd...
I have bad news...

>>546318246
>How will calibrating to basestations work
It won't

>>546316261
it's great
exactly what I was hoping for
a lot of people just had nitpicky unrealistic expectations

What's the current ultimate "i live in the matrix" hardcore PCVR hybrid setup?

Quest 3 + babble face tracking + light houses + index controllers + feet/knee/hip/chest/elbow trackers?

right?

Frame Pro just needs to be that. minus the extra trackers other than feet and hip.

>>546318246
anon...

>>546318376
>hardcore PCVR
the ind-
>hybrid
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA

>>546317824
it has ir trackers.

>>546317843
the controllers have built in imu's

>>546317967
babble is just as compatible with the frame retard

>>546317996
ive had trackers for like 8 years and used both mixed and not mixed. mixed is more of a pain obviously but eh

>>546318170
you are talking about the quest. noteably not the frame..

>>546318370
>Unrealistic expectations
Unrealistic expectations like having features that have existed on other headsets for half a decade

>>546318452
>babble is just as compatible with the frame retard
where did I say it wasn't jackass?

>>546318452
>the controllers have built in imu's
>the controllers will drift themselves to the floor and need fixing every 10 minutes
great to hear, thanks

>>546318107
what was the deal with these things
last i heard it was still "too good to be true"

>>546318527
magnets.

>>546318246
Did you miss the memo? Base station tracking is DEAD. Get with the times. Yes, it worked flawlessly. Yes, it was easy to set up. Yes, it will still be necessary for FBT. However, none of that is important because, while it was easy, setting it up was like just totally too much work and inside out tracking works almost as well if you ignore all the problems.

>>546318527
the deal with them is that they sound good but aren't out yet and thus need to be treated as fake until they come out and get real testing.

Their announcement/website boasts about having 12 WHOLE BETA TESTERS, for context.

>>546318527
the deal is that they don't exist and you only have the word of the developer and his friends that they're as good as they say, you can't buy them because they don't exist and what you do get in 5 years when they're available will be inferior as a commercial product compared to whatever black magic prototypes they made to sell them

>>546318523
you are comparing shitty company or diy to valve.
also its not its sole tracking method its additional to the headset tracking them

>>546318523
>fixing them requires them being in view of the HMD for less than a second
same shit happens on Q3 without the IMU's.
even if the IMU's somehow made it worse it would fix itself whenever you move your hand in front of you?

I hope there's a way for the new Steam Frame controllers to be used with multiple headsets if they're running Steam OS. I would like a new standard for slam controllers.

>>546318107
Hope this has no major downsides. An alternative to lighthouses is good for FBT in VR long term.

>>546318527
They're releasing a kickstarter this month, if they're not faking faggots they'll send out some units to VR shills for further testing.

>>546318703
>>546318690
If only there was a solution that valve already knew how to do that removed this issue entirely...

>>546318784
>Hope this has no major downsides.
just don't live in a place full of rebar wire

>>546318376
11 pt tracking + vrgloves+ everything else you mentioned

>>546318802
grrr i hate when technology advances!!

>>546318829
>just don't live in a place full of rebar
>2 of my walls are concrete with rebar in them
>massive metal ventilation shaft in the ceiling
it's so fucking over for me

>>546318927
Advancing is when we create problems that didn't exist for no upside other than the manufacturer's bottom line :)

>>546318927
I love when it goes backwards

>>546318952
just keep a good coronavirus distance of like 2m from the wall!

So what are the chances it will be available for purchase this year?

lol at linus stopping to call out the tranny in the room for not answering his questions enough

>>546319050
0%
they literally said early 2026

>>546319014
The room is 3.5m across by like 10m long I don't think this is possible

>>546319050
they said early 2026 in the announcement video retard

>>546319050
Zero, they already said q1 2026

>>546318802
it would be nice if it worked with lighthouses in addition to slam
maybe since it has an expansion port someone could make a 3rd party lighthouse faceplate like pimax uses on their new headsets

obvious why valve wouldn't go lighthouse only if this thing is meant to be used on your couch/friends house/the bus/outside

>>546318976
ah yes the headset thats been in development for 6 years is going to have issues tracking the controllers...
dribbler.

FUCK lighthouses, FUCK screwing shit to your walls, FUCK the room setup app which is the worst playspace calibrating piece of shit of all time, SLAM is the future

If money isn't a factor, why would you buy a Steam Frame over a Galaxy XR?

>>546319242
>thing that isn't out yet that uses technology that has issues definitely magically fixed the problems, buy it now chud

>>546319148
the gaming hallway...

>>546319194
>the bus
great way to get mugged if you live in nogistan

>>546319335
yea ok calm down zuckerberg

I wish the future had more games

that smol dog big dog r*ddit meme but it's about tough lighthouse chads using a handheld drill and standalone cucks being scared to install anything

>>546319370
to use Linux instead of Android (Linux but less cool)

>>546319335
>FUCK screwing shit to your walls
found the real poor, renting somewhere they can't modify

>>546319370
i dont wear pants when i play vr so i have nowhere to put the battery in

>>546319370
Galaxy XR is unibody so I'm choosing steam frame

>>546319418
I hope future games are hardware prohibitive to participate in for penniless children and brown majority nations.

>>546319335
this nigga got filtered by the room setup process lmao
just click 4 times in advanced mode my nigga!

>>546319335
>put base station on a shelf
>do room setup once
>never touch it for 2 years
waou so hard

>>546319501
sure you do!

>>546319536
sorry anon we need everything to cater to the lowest common denominator now to maximize shareholder value
that means selling out your hobby and your country to retarded, sub-80-iq, barely-human third world shitskins
been this way for almost 20 years now

lighthouse cucks not being able to piss and shit while staying immersed with fbt on

>>546319654
imagine the smell of anon's hardware...

Reminder that you don't NEED to drill anything to use lighthouse trackers, you just need to have a sense of ingenuity and a high IQ

>>546319370
Because I can buy a PSVR2 headset and then do this
>>546318376
>+ babble face tracking + light houses + index controllers + feet/knee/hip/chest/elbow trackers?

Just give me index 2.0 with OLED screens that has eye tracking and a built in babble project lower face tracker
yes i want light house tracking with that

I'd buy it even if it's still wired.

>>546319398
something dystopic about not having your own transportation and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your view

Wait what's the point of advertising a vr headset as a device to play flat games on? Does valve think there's a target demographic that wants this?
If a subset of people who play flat only do buy it, it's possible they could be converted to vr and revitalize vr gaming, but I really don't see flat gamers buying a headset unless the headset offers something valuable to them in flat gaming. Maybe for people who travel frequently and don't want to lug a high refresh rate monitor around? But thats what laptops are for. So what's the point?

I just want a bigshit beyond with eye tracking, passthrough, and oculus controllers

Quest 3 is to Frame what Switch was to the Steam Deck. I can literally see people buy this just for discord movie watching togheter and using on airplanes, when traveling and such. Movie watching machine and play console ports.
No LH tracking is pretty bad, Valve abandoning it means no big company is standing behind LH, wich was an open standard that anyone could make hardware for. I hoped the Valve frame would be LH playspace/SteamVR native since Index was such a good FBT experience.

Still gonna buy it because I'm a sucker kek, but I hope it's better then the Quest/SteamVR hybrid that sucks ass.

>>546319910
>something dystopic about not having your own transportation
That's what I'm saying, transit enthusiasts will tell me it's better and then sit down next to a drug-addled criminal like it's not a problem

>>546319654
>i can poo while still in VR!
>I can cheers kippis kanpai drink alcohol and hit my bong while using my color pass through!
obese slop cattle moment

>>546319924
I mean one of the end-games of HMDs is replacing monitors entirely. This thing is still too chonky for that though

>investigating potential web domain
>they make software for the shipping industry
I laughed

>>546319910
>and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your view
AR glasses for this feel when, Zucc?

>>546319654
When I lived in a dorm room at school, one of my base stations was able to see into my bathroom, and my index cable was just long enough for a comfortable sit on the toilet actually, and you better believe a weird guy who was into feet convinced me to wear the headset into there once when I was drunk.

>>546320102
you're okay with lighthouses because you spend all your time sitting on your ass you projecting obese cunt

>>546319536
Ok Randy Pitchford

>>546320102
drunkniggers that belong nowhere near VR have to be 95% of the market for wireless slop I swear to god

>>546320049
I agree with ya
I could maybe see using it on a plane, but even then I wouldn't feel comfortable with no passthru

>>546320254
AI powered filters that turn nogs into anime girls (white) when?

>>546319924
Every single VR company is pursuing this demographic which doesn't exist outside of their fantasies and it's the people who will "casually" play vr. They have this idea that people will just throw the headset on and play it like candy crush except they apparently don't understand that wearing vr sucks and normal people do not want to do it. It's the same reason so much shit gets released with pitiful battery life and no easy way to swap the batteries; they apparently don't know people play games in long blocks and not 20 minute bursts even though this is true of pc gamers, console gamers, vr gamers, and even fucking mobile gamers.

>>546320254
>hide the black people on the bus from your view
Sounds dangerous. We need is the opposite. A 'Never Relax' app that monitors and alerts you to the movement of melinated individuals so you don't have to be on guard all the time.

>using VR on a plane
bro your book / audiobook / handheld game / inflight movie??
VR would be so cringe in public

I don't want lighthouses because they make noise + are just another thing to break + I want to be able to take the headset to another room or my friend's house. Just make Quest Pro controllers + HTC Ultimate Trackers, but good and without spyware, thanks.

>>546320747
>tomorrow night
you mean tonight right, S? I'll be there hopefully someone else will be a kind anon and join the two of us

>>546320641
>20 minute bursts
phonetards....

>>546320713
>giving a shit what other people do on a plane as long as they don't stink/yell
I'd be fine with everyone in cattle class wearing a feed bag and blinder shades.

>>546320135
That end game won't happen until wireless is somehow able to introduce no extra latency, and no visual artifacts.
Either that, or the phone addicted zoomers get relevant enough where not having a computer or laptop is common enough for them to see a standalone mini pc hmd as a better choice. I think zoomers and alphas don't have computers nearly as much as we all did since they cope and claim their phones do just as much.
>>546320641
This is why I bought a bsb2e as soon as they announced it. No one else realizes that the demographic to value is us.

>>546320741
>because they make noise
valid
>thing to break
thousands of hours here with zero issues

Running Pacific Coast Highway in Assetto Corsa tonight at 8PM ET (in ~30m).
Car list is in pic related.
Mods are below and the server is up if you want to test anything.
server: vrg racing
pass: tfwnodriftfu
voice chat (mumble): voice.vrg.party
mods: https://mega.nz/folder/xN4EGDiC#cvLFrD3kTpS_8pU7eNVvPw

Still thinking of trying to run an actual race next week if there's enough interest, so if you'd be interested, just reply.

>>546320823
Yeah, messed up the copy paste since I was in a hurry.

>>546318690
SAAR YOU ARE COMPARE SHITY COMPANY TO BRAHMIN VALVE SAAR
lmao nigga it's gonna be fucking trash

>>546319924
I know some people who really want this actually, to be able to virtually have more displays, or move to the couch on a wireless setup.

Lots of less demanding games like mmos run pretty well on the deck, so a deck-like setup than can also do some light VR on its own has some appeal.

>>546320886
>phone addicted zoomers get relevant enough where not having a computer or laptop is common enough
This is already the de-facto state of things anon. "normal people" don't touch a computer ever unless it relates to their job or they're into PCs for another reason.

>>546320958
I'll show up for next week's race but i'm the guy who will probably show up anyway. No one cares about assetto anymore...racism is declining...no doubt we'll be drowned out by Slop Frame discussion...

>>546320949
>>546320741
>they make noise
I've never noticed.

>>546319910
>and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your view
This is an awful idea that totally disrespects to golden rule
>Around blacks, never relax

>noise
your foam tip IEMs that take 2 minutes to put in?

>>546321152
they make a tiny but of noise when spinning up fully but it's always drowned out for my by my turbine engine of a PC and my box fan and the cooling fan on my index

>>546311961
Make an XR except with less retarded software and hardware decisions. I'm jealous of the Frame's design because it was clearly made by someone who wears a VR headset a lot and realized that moving the battery to the back was a great idea.

>>546321152
They only make noise when they're running and it's quieter than a cooling fan. It becomes white noise pretty much, you're not going to hear it but for if you sleep in the same room and leave them on standby.

>>546319501
up your ass

>>546321059
good, give the internet back to the autists
we deserve to have our own nation state where we aren't being persecuted again.
>>546321043
inb4 fearmongering articles popping up in the media about a new wave of young people with bedsores due to gaming in bed with a deckard

>>546321246
I would never be around blacks to begin with (or on a bus)
sorry for the naivety

>>546318646
>>546318246
Base stations are dead cause niggas don know how to mount things on dey walls n sheit

>>546321356
Making a mount for an external battery was the standard for everyone that used a quest..

The Steam Frame is literally just a quest with different internals.

Which is good, but it's not the second coming or anything.

>>546321152
It's not terrible but easily audible

>>546321420
>give the internet back to the autists
Agree but never going to happen. 20 years ago the internet was 90% white with a strong standout minority of japanese. Everyone else was guaranteed to be technically minded as an "early adopter" from wherever they were from.
Phones, ads, profit-seeking all ruined the internet. Indians. Niggers. Chinese. Normalfaggots. It's all gone.

>>546316013
The average person does not know you can use a Quest for PCVR because Meta doesn't advertise it as such.

>>546319335
>FUCK screwing shit to your walls
buy a tripod retard

>>546319581
Do you not ever clean the dust off your shelves?

>>546321554
the lighthouse noise genuinely drives me nuts when i don't have music i have no idea how people just leave their base stations on all the time
yet despite that i wish the frame was lighthouse tracked

>>546321787
don't watch the news? White people don't clean/lawncare. We have illegal slave labor for that.

>>546321585
This is one of the reasons I still like vrchat, the barrier to entry is still high enough and niche enough to keep it closer to the internet of old in so far as it can be

>>546321919
>i like a free pointless avatar chatroom because the barrier to entry is so high
The fuck are you talking about? There's a reason it's packed with children and pedophiles.

>>546319764
So... a beyond 2e

>>546322046
t. tourist that only goes to public slop

>>546321882
Can I legally beat the Mexican cleaning my house if he moves my base station even by a milimeter during cleaning?

>>546322051
except not made by indians

>>546321919
Having a desktop PC is not a high barrier to entry. The stigma around VRC is a much better normoid deterrent

>>546322092
>beat them
You just call ICE on them and they beat them for you. No joke. Then you go find another one.

>>546322087
>doesn't refute it's just a glorified chatroom
k

>>546322087
no he's right, if the 'public' space of your platform is so diseased you need to escape from it to private spaces then you objectively lost.
It's like whites running from the cities to go live in the suburbs (a.k.a. refugee camps for white people). VRChatters are already in their digital refugee camps hiding away from tdaniggers and quest kids.

>>546322092
>moves my base station even by a milimeter
this shit makes no difference base stations are so good they simply deal with it i used to move mine all the time before i had a better playspace and i never had to do room setup

any simfags with eye tracked headset have a perspective on how much performance gain from foveated rendering/encoding?

I've watched a couple videos but the guy running the benchmarks was using a pimax at 6k or some shit so he went from like 24fps to 32fps in MSFS24

>>546322269
every day i get closer to advocating for mass killings

>>546322462
It's too late for that anon, far too late

>>546322748
fuck this gay earth

Frame fags will never know this kino

>>546323245
how much is a quest + accessories vs just a Meme Frame?

>>546323349
Don't bother. New quest is objectively worse than initial quest.

>Another Maruitania match lost as attackers even while topping the scoreboard for my team
Yippee

>>546264632 (Cross-thread)
>I'd like it if there was a full body striking game, like Thrill of the fight but for karate, kickboxing, TKD, etc. Would be really cool
I think this game has fbt
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1481780/Dragon_Fist_VR_Kung_Fu/

>>546323557
and meme frame is worse than index, answer the question

>>546320958
Assetto Corsa starting now, server details are in the previous post if you're interested

>/vrg/ hates the frame because it has worse screens than a $2000 headset and it's not compatible with their ERP trackers
lol

>>546323690
you can't buy the og quest anymore.

>how I'll be playing deadlock next year

good 'jonging 'jongers
im sorry

>>546323843
>missing every skillshot and bullet
anon...

>>546323916
do you look at your mouse and keyboard when you play shooters?

>>546323916
that's my team's problem

Hol’ up
>smacks lips
You mean to tell me
>sucks teeth
It ain’t got colour pass through? Real?

>>546325784
no, but it does have a big nosehole for me to find my beer through

>who is the target audience
maybe more people than we realize if these comments are anything to go by.

Have a vintage meme from the Index announcement

>>546315591
I tried it and it's better than lethal but right now the VR mod is outdated so you would have to downgrade
Once it's fully updated then let's have some games

>>546325865
So when I’m playing my flat steam games the room around my floating screen is black and white ? Like a quest 2?

Apologies to palmer luckey I did not know your game quite frankly

>>546326530
yes, OR, most likely it will be some steam-matrix home environment or something

>>546326332
the reclining will hereby commence.

So, what, do people love or hate the new valve headset? I can't tell how much of it is shitposting and how much is genuine.

>>546326794
it's just a quest 3

>>546326308
>everyone saying frame will be $500

>>546327024
>Pros: Backed by Facebook
Oh Bloomberg, you funny rag you.

>>546318487
>features
that no one used

>>546327004
So better because no zucktranny data harvesting?

Looking good Yuru

>>546326794
It's what everyone expected, a Valve branded Quest headset. The only novel thing about it is the dedicated streaming dongle.

>>546326794
it's mid fr fr

>>546327448
gross

no, a blanket statement that “Quest 2 has better tracking than SteamVR 2.0” would not be accurate overall.
Here’s the nuance the paper makes clear (and what other tests support):

>Where Quest 2 (Oculus Insight) did better
>Static accuracy & precision:
In controlled, stationary measurements, Quest 2’s inside-out tracking was slightly more accurate and less jittery than SteamVR 2.0 — especially in height (Y-axis) and short-term stability.
>Ease of setup & robustness to drift:
Because it’s inside-out (uses onboard cameras), there’s no external base-station calibration — so it’s simpler and consistent once the room is well lit and feature-rich.

>Where SteamVR 2.0 still excels
>Dynamic motion tracking:
SteamVR 2.0 performs better for fast, complex, or occluded movements (e.g., hand controllers swinging behind you). Quest 2’s cameras can lose tracking when line-of-sight or lighting is poor.
>Large or irregular spaces:
SteamVR base stations cover large areas reliably and don’t depend on visual landmarks or lighting.
>Multi-object tracking:
SteamVR supports precise tracking of multiple external trackers (hands, props, body parts), whereas Quest 2 only tracks its headset and controllers.
>Absolute coordinate consistency:
SteamVR’s Lighthouse system provides a consistent world-space reference across sessions — Quest 2’s inside-out system can shift slightly between play sessions.

>AI Sloppa

>>546318170
>>546318193
fuck I forgor
>>546327601

>>546326794
love for now. it isn't in the hands of the people yet.
but from the looks of it its gonna be the best headset package bar none.
pretty much all the people shitting on it are either coping because they bought a bigscreen/quest pro recently or just are too stupid and ignorant.

>>546327601
will you please stop posting

>>546327601
Am I reading this right? they tested a full fbt setup vs just a normal quest in three point? Of course the accuracy would be less. I think testing 3 point vs 3 point would be a better comparison no?

>>546327004
You fags said that's exactly what you wanted out of valve though because you didn't want to get zucc'd

>>546328090
who cares it's an AI post from bnuuy

NA Volleyball starting in 15mins.
Instance up now for some practice.

https://vrch.at/4q0gez0f

if the headset alone, no controllers/accessories or anything, costs like $500 then i'd get one.

>>546328137
I don't want this, but I am not the target audience.

>>546326736
But that’s worse than a quest 3 what is this thing ??

>>546327601
almost everything you mentioned is solved by the frame and q3s lol. especially low light and large or irregular spaces.

absolute coordinate consistency only matters if you are combining tracking types otherwise you will quite literally never notice it.

dynamic motion tracking is also solved by the frame as its update frequency is the same or higher than an index.

multi object tracking is something we'll have to wait and see how they implement but to write off the best headset on the market because of 1 possible downside is retard shit dude. especially when every other headset on the market is way more copium than the frame is lol

>>546328621
ok trex gimme ur best rawr

>>546328756
rawr

>>546328432
it will be better than quest 3 for latency, and presumably the OS will be better/easier to connect to your pc
the passthru is much worse than Q3 though, yea

>best headset on the market
>LCD screens

>>546326530
This is valve very openly giving zero fucks about XR anything. You're here to play in VR; the reality around you is irrelevant.

>>546329056
>b-but we have to do it because--
New viable lens tech fucking when, pancakes were a mistake.

>>546327968
I bought a Quest Pro and I am 80% happy with the Frame.
Just wanna know
>will be a face tracking module, not in a "2 more weeks" timeframe, but more like 6 month later at the very least
>how well do the controllers track when they leave the headsets view
>can I deactivate the fugly passthrough when I play my flat games (in a steam vr environment or something), the demo video suggests that you are seeing everything in color, which you do not
>whats the price

It really feels like a "games first headset" which is such a fucking nice thing to see inbetween all those XR/AR, social, AI headsets.
Should the Frame turn out to be shit, there might be other headsets in the near future, hopefully

>>546328621
>reddit spacing
Wasn't even arguing with you. Just wanted a tl;dr of the research. I don't really care much about the lighthouse vs camera tracking as both have their problems and it's more about "What can you deal with".
Camera tracking on my quest 2 and later my quest pro has treated me incredibly well. My lighting seems to be enough and I never lost tracking (unlike the quest pro controllers, those track like hot garbage).
The Index also worked fine, I did notice that sometimes my knuckles or trackers sperged out, most likely because of some rouge reflection. And once you enter the "mixed playspace" rabbit hole and read up on how fucked lighthouses can be because of their micro vibration, which introduce movement, which introduce errors and so on, you wish you never started to read up on it in the first place because lighthouses are (even though they get hyped as some sort of holy cow) a technological dead end.

>>546329056
Certainly, here is your image as seen on an OLED device!

>>546329359
Wow! It's like magic!

>>546329359
i think your 4k OLED TV is a little dirty

>>546329359
Lookin good

>>546329349
>>can I deactivate the fugly passthrough when I play my flat games (in a steam vr environment or something), the demo video suggests that you are seeing everything in color, which you do not
the passthrough is a toggle like index
you sit in the steam grid/skybox by default

Now that it is finally announced I am pretty conflicted. Frame is pretty much what was expected from leaks so I am not surprised but still disappointed. Just need to decide if I go bsb2 now, wait for frame impressions anyway or keep waiting for some future headset. Was going to just get a bsb2 earlier this year but learning that you needed $600+ of extra junk to even use it scared me off but now that the frame seems meh maybe I will just suck it up and pay.

>>546329870
I'd say go with the BSB2, way better value.

>>546329870
if you don't have lighthouses and haven't stimmed a bsb kit yet just go for the chinkmax dream air

>>546329870
frame is wireless, 1/3 of the cost, and significantly better user experience

>>546329359
with my vive in AC I seriously can't see past like 50 feet. it turns almost pure white on some maps. I hope the new oleds aren't still like that

also when I try the brightness calibration in RE2R, the upper end looks pure white no matter where I move the slider

>2025
>anon still wants tech that relies on 2 high-speed precision rotating optical assemblies that may or may not wear over time
>this is considered new tech
hard drives with similar high precision motors break all the time because of this
How can people be so short sighted?

>>546329870
If you don't already have basestations and controllers, the BSB2 is a tough sell. At that price, you could also look into the Galaxy XR. It depends on how much you want to invest in VR upfront. Honestly, the Steam Frame doesn't seem terrible for an introductory headset, especially if it's less than $1000 like Valve is implying.

>>546330461
>like Valve is implying
Was there anybody saying something about pricing?
The only thing I was able to find was the short sentence in a Verge article about how it will be cheaper than the current index. However he didn't mention if he was talking about the headset or the kit.

>>546329870
Bigscreen makes garbage products with zero quality control

>>546330396
buying a new one every 10 years isn't a big deal
buying once, it handles tracking for everything
and I can aim behind my back which you can't

>>546328231
Ball slapping is fun

>>546330396
I bought all of my base stations used four years ago and just shipped some halfway across the planet and they all still work. They'll certainly outlast whatever headset I get next.

>>546330727
>which you can't
there is reason to believe that I can

>>546330763
sell me on it
I keep seeing you guys with your sports ball looking instance up and I can't imagine how it actually would be to play in vr
what is the experience of actually playing this? stand up and position yourself to have your hand contact a ball with weird physics, and hope it goes where you want it?

>>546330592
I would definitely assume they were talking about the full kit which would just mean somewhere sub $1000 my guess is would be $700ish but we will have to see.

>>546330396
As an electrical engineer, I'm pretty confident that one could make solid state DLP based lighthouses that would be backwards compatible with basestation 2.0 hardware.

As for failure rates, after about 30k hours in vr with 4x 2.0 basetations, I've had only 2 basestations fail, one after about 15000 hours and one at about 30k hours

>>546331358
popular and fun enough where it gets hosted every other day and sometimes with spillover lobbies, not like it costs money or anything, just join and see for yourself.

>>546331903
>I've had only 2 base stations fail
As an electrical engineer you most agree that this sampling size (~1) is not a big pool.

>solid state DLP based lighthouses
And the kit would be more expensive than the Apple Pro as a result.
And all that for a VRChat display.

>>546331358
Idk how you want to get sold. Just drop in when it's being hosted and see for yourself. If it isn't for you just leave after a game or two.

It is pretty fun, although the ball physics do go wild at times. Kind of feels like volleyball although I'm still pretty ass and only played it last when I was in school.

current verdict on forefront? thinking about picking it up since i just want some low stakes shoot people gameplay

>>546332452
its kino i'm afraid

>>546332452
Game is fun, but you're going to be stuck playing with a bunch of kids

>>546332452
if you ever played og bf2 or bc2 it's literally just that but with battlebit voip.

>>546319764
>OLED screens
OLED looks shit with pancake lenses. Ask any bigscreen owner.
pancake lenses absorb something like 90% of light, it is a cruel technology. With LCD + low persistence autism valve said the frame gets somewhere over 100 nits. 100 nits is basic bitch unimpressive SDR. You probably see displays that are 300 these days. HDR is like 600-1000+. VR has a real brightness problem unless you go back to fresnel or something thicker that doesn't reflect light back to the screen.

>>546332452
It's good if you play anything other than snipers, current recon is ass offensively. Maps are kind of meh IMO but not game ruining.

>>546332789
>OLED looks shit with pancake lenses. Ask any bigscreen owner.
bigscreen owner here
uOLED looks fucking amazing with pancakes

I hate that retail electronics sales are dead. I wish I could just try the BSB2 and the Frame for myself and buy based on my own perception of the visuals and comfort.

>>546280740 (Cross-thread)
okey great dancing to the few that came today, we stay strong here you have the vids, also full automatized now, amazing

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqVTVLsIotSmySQYZUIWY_T5MkEwigLxW

https://rentry.co/vrgpypy

>>546333001
Demoed the AVP at a store recently and honestly the best part was how enthusiastic the guy was about it
Was talking about how his friend had a whole room dedicated to VR and he owned an oculus himself
It really is a shame quite frankly

Digital Foundry dude asked a Valve engineer about battery life and the reply was "Best case 4hrs, worst case 1hr"
He also mentioned there's multiple power profiles for the headset so hopefully it might be able to stream at good quality on the battery saving mode.

>>546333001
>retail electronics sales are dead
I was born at least one decade too late to experience the closest thing to "good times" America's had since the coke highs of the 70s and 80s

>>546333321
>"Best case 4hrs, worst case 1hr"
can you give me the link and a time stamp?

>>546333407
https://youtu.be/TmTvmKxl20U?t=315
Watch for about a minute

>>546333321
>Best case 4hrs
oh man this thing's going to be a 30 minute brick faster than you can say "where are the customers"

>>546333479
huh... so we have another Quest Pro situation.
Fine for me as long as I can plug in my powerbank

>>546333673
Yeah. I'm gonna hold off one until someone figures out a hotswappable magnetic battery system.

>>546333274
They still sell that old movie?

>>546333673
Quest Pro has the highest res screens for any consumer standalone at that time and eye/face.
And frame is basically a sidegrade of it 5 years later.

>>546333745
valve or someone else will make a different strap with a larger battery probably
that or a strap that goes to an easily swappable extension solution perhaps
that or use a extension off the usb-c port in the rear and have it in your pocket like a good wifi user

>>546333897
>has
had*

>>546333897
>And frame is basically a sidegrade of it 5 years later.
>Quest Pro 1800x1920 per-eye
>Frame 2160x2160 per-eye
Am I misunderstanding something? the frame clearly has a higher res screen

>>546334143
its also 144hz rather than capped at 90hz but lets forget that too

>>546334143
~200 pixel difference per dimension is nothing. PPD is basically the same because frame has higher FOV.
GXR is 3552 x 3840 per eye, and that's what proper resolution bump looks like.

>>546334468
You're mad. Even the additional 200 pixels from Q Pro to Q3 is very noticeable.

>>546334468
do you own the GXR

>>546334468
>GXR
why would I waste my time trying to get this piece of junk to do what I want it to when the frame is plug and play

>>546334143
I just ran the numbers and it's 35% more

>>546334468
>200 pixels
your math is not mathing...
~300 pixel vertically and ~200 pixel horizontally
It is higher res than the QP. Sorry that you deny reality, but it just is what it is.

>>546334580
it's nothing, all things considered
it's retarded to care about 3 ppd dif when you need an extra 20.

>>546334763
>>546334797
Do you really want to cope like that? It's low res shit, it's a fact.
2026 headset my ass, eMagin displays my ass.

>>546312886
https://vrch.at/jt0a0jtq
anmie

>>546335013
>It's low res shit
and your zuckmachine is even lower res shit

>>546335013
lmk what the latency is like streaming native res to the 4k uOLEDs on your GXR my man
dab me up with the hard deets

>>546335086
Since when it's mine, fanatic? I'm just speaking objectively. Sorry that facts offend you.

>>546335086
you're arguing with a shitskinned ESL indian schizo, save your time, everyone sane can see you're right

>>546335345
>indian
didn't know
Maybe he is still on his high from the shit throwing festival
thanks for bringing that to my attention

New favicon on vrchat.com, huh.

>YOU ARE RIGHT SAAAR, STEAM FRAME MOST BIATIFUL HEADSET EVER, DON'T LISTEN TO THE BENCHOODS, ENOUGH PIXELS TO WATCH VEGANAS IN HD, EVEN WHILE POOPING ON THE STREET

>be bsb
>brutally mog frame with 40% more pixels
>heh nothin personnel

>>546335915
nigger I can't see the pixels in my vive my eyes are so shot
you're living in 20-20 fantasyland

Can wait for another 5 years of retarded arguments with valve fanatics on why frame is actually the best headset still, just like with index.

I'm just happy now we'll get the terminal indexfags to try wireless vr and stop being sad faggots praising their wires

>>546335979
what is your eyeglass prescription
might I suggest the full cast harry potter audiobook blind anon

>>546336167
for me, it's going to be all the little sounds and haptics from steam OS when you click on a game that's the defining feature

>and stop being sad faggots
Not going to happen. They are not going to suddenly become any less delusional.

>>546336067
>>546336167
finally, REAL games in VR

2160 * 2160 = _4,665,600
3552 * 3840 = 13,639,680
13,639 / 4,665 = 2.95

>>546336067
>just like with index.
Are you implying that the index wasn't the best middle of the road headset for a really long time?

>>546336203
it's extremely nearsighted like worse than -8 in both eyes
lenses let me see and read but it's not ever great
so display resolution is the least impactful thing on a headset, it's why I give people so much shit for recommending headsets ONLY based off resolution, not taking into account QOL of use or any other tech specs

I've never seen an indian in /vrg/ instances

the bsb2 would be an adequate upgrade over the index if not for the lower resolution at 90hz

It would have been fine if it was just 2.8k, like we could have salvaged it at that res, like "it's not the best, but it's fine".
But 2.1k is just too much to take.

>>546336785
Indians don't really play any games, they are just paid to post here, not to actually interact

>>546336821
having been a daily index driver for years, it was definitely an upgrade in several aspects

New Volleyball instance

https://vrch.at/a58ngxvr

https://youtu.be/bWUxObt1efQ?t=1874
>10 to 20ms total latency
If true that would be half the network lag compared to my pico. Might get it just for pavlov...

>>546336953
Paid just to shit on the best headset in the world, steam frame, which is actually flawless and still valid in 2026?!
Really?!! That's unforgivable.

>>546336821
>Implying vrchat users even get above 30fps most of the time

>>546332226
>As an electrical engineer you most agree that this sampling size (~1) is not a big pool.

sample size was 6 base stations but yeah
>>solid state DLP based lighthouses

>And the kit would be more expensive than the Apple Pro as a result.
>And all that for a VRChat display.

DMD chips are cheap, it would be significantly cheaper than current lighthouses

https://youtu.be/jis5Q9UEroE
>I tested wireless on Alyx for 15 minutes and it was flawless!
god I fucking hate journalists

>>546336067
no it's going to just be another 6 years of coping for the REAL valve deckard

>nope not going to play questslop
>nope not going to play frameslop

Galaxy XR has almost 200% more pixels than Steam Frame. Let that sink in for a second.

>>546337874
how many of them does it actually render?

if you guys actually thought Frame would use lighthouses yiu're genuinely fucking retarded
Valve needed to aim for a bigger audience, and the first step is catering to the large mass of people who don't want to set up all that extra shit instead of the minority that cares about putting their arms behind their back

So these are made by and for furries huh?

>>546337960
You only need to render where you look. Both headsets have eye tracking.

>>546338032
and that number is?

>>546338030
vrchat? yea

>>546331903
>I'm pretty confident that one could make solid state DLP based lighthouses that would be backwards compatible with basestation 2.0 hardware
Nah, not really. The 2.0 lighthouses rely on an actual spinning laser plane continuous analog sweep with super-tight timing. A DLP physically can’t reproduce the continuous, linear, high-precision laser sweep that Lighthouse uses for triangulation. You’d end up with a completely different tracking system, not a solid-state drop-in replacement.
>pic related
>just invent a new standard

>>546338069
why does the exact number matter, both headset should be able to render at panel native in the fovea region
is that your way to cope?

>>546337981
the expandable architecture is actually a really good solution. I am sure someone will make extra camera kits for face tracking and 360 degree camera tracking so frame-lets will be able to scratch their butts and have it be fully tracked

>>546338241
we're talking numbers here
spit em out already
you do own the GXR right?

>>546338032
Virtual Desktop doesn't support eye tracked foveated encoding for the GXR

>>546338340
what about steam link? who cares about incompetent gay goblin

>>546317397
>>546317785
I love my quest pro and qpro controllers. Honestly they need to make FBT trackers that is just a no button qpro controller.

>>546338434
oh steam link that sends you a 1440p image? i'm sure they're gonna support the gayXR

>>546338483
https://www.vive.com/us/accessory/vive-ultimate-tracker/

>>546338508
>gayXR
call it what you want, i don't care as long as I can read books and work in vr without having switch back and forth with flatshit monitors

Man... desu after all this waiting, if you didn't have a price maybe you shouldn't have announced it...

>>546338772
Exactly like that but with Zuck software cause the vive software sucks and loses tracking a lot

>>546338854
who cares about the price when the res is so shit?
if you are a price-conscious poorfag, just buy a fucking quest

>>546338994
>when the res is so shit?
are you mad?

>>546339173
not mad, just disappointed that I have to go back to android mines if I want to have a headset with a half-decent screen and eye/face

>>546339376
>disappointed
then you haven't paid attention to the leaks. Nothing new has been revealed.
The leaks were meant to manage your expectations

bsb2e, frame, gxr, and dream air all mean more eyetracking among more users
this means devs might stop being lazy pieces of shit and finally implement foveated rendering!

>>546339497
people were coping with "it's just an engineering sample! no way the screens are actually 2160", nobody expected valve to actually be that retarded and release it as is

>>546339650
>devs might stop being lazy pieces of shit
Anon... I...

>>546339650
>bsb2e, frame, gxr, and dream air
total market share: 3%
q2+q3 is something like 70% btw

>>546339859
q2 is deprecated, worthless
q3 is kids, they can barely perceive where they are at any given point in time
we won't get a q4 anytime soon

>>546337874
got water everywhere

>>546339946
you're right, time to preorder the Frame when it's available

>>546339946

>>546340030
did I stutter?

most used resolution is 1080p and most used gpu is rtx3060, no one white uses that, i literally don't give a fuck about poor people and their market share, give me the high end hardware I will pay for it

>>546340215
yeah, you did actually
here, try talking without my cock in your mouth and call your mother

>>546340369
people with headsets are a tiny minority, that logic doesn't really apply here
>give me the high end hardware I will pay for it
I agree with this though

>most used resolution is 1080p
there is nothing wrong 1080p, the res of even the best, most expensive headsets on the market is barely on 1080p PPD level

>>546340489
>here, try talking without my cock in your mouth and call your mother
what kind of poweremoting furry roleplay is this

i luv my mahjong frens
<3

>>546340489
you gay nigga

>>546340659
I don't know, you tell me, you gay retard

I'm retarded. I know that there is a drama about steam frame not having lighthouse tracking and not having face tracking. People have been speculating about an addon to add face tracking to it. Would it be impractical to create a lighthouse tracking addon for the headset alongside the use of lighthouse compatible controllers?

On that same note, I see people upset about the monochrome passthrough. Could that port be used instead for a color pass-through camera addon?

>>546340935
valve could just sell a core module that has lighthouse tracking built in teehee

>>546340935
sure the port could be used for those things, but someone would have to engineer them first

>>546340935
sure
people COULD make anything and things WOULD be practical
you better be friendly to furries. they'll safe your vr (again)

>>546340935
no its extremely easy to add lighthouse tracking to the headset, literally glue a tracker to it and override the camera in steamvr config

yes, adding anything to it will be extremely easy as its linux

>>546340935
You can't cope with garbage panels no matter what you do. The frame is DOA.

The thing being open sauce is fantastic. We'll finally be able to access the SLAM maps and share them with potential pico-like trackers

>>546341117
anon the frame was DOA just because it's another VR headset
this is a dead medium propped up by furry ERP

all i wished for steam frame to be 3k and it would be perfect, it has everything i want but the resolution

>>546338227
>Nah, not really. The 2.0 lighthouses rely on an actual spinning laser plane continuous analog sweep with super-tight timing. A DLP physically can’t reproduce the continuous, linear, high-precision laser sweep that Lighthouse uses for triangulation. You’d end up with a completely different tracking system, not a solid-state drop-in replacement.

For about half of each revolution, the lasers are behind the spinning drum, that leaves a time gap during which a DLP based system could return to its initial position and initiate a new sweep. From the perspective of the tracked device everything would appear the same.

>>546341117
I'm disappointed that it's not some kind of paradigm changing quantum leap, but I think that I might be willing to cope with it. I'm a casual who's been filtered by the cables in the past.

>>546341504
Even IF your DLP could magically reset between sweeps (big if, because we need to assume its perfectly timed, perfectly synced and there is no discontinuity, like... AT ALL)
>no coherent, planar beam
>timing to angle mapping wouldn't be linear
>x/y phase coupling would drift
>optical waveform wouln't match what sensors expect

Even if you solve the timing problem, you’re still fighting geometry, optics, and signal-shape problems that make it impossible to appear identical to the spinning laser system.

i cant wait for frankendeckards

fitting, that headset is already a stillborn corpse

>>546331358
Have you ever seen HAIKYU? It actually plays exactly like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UiaQ3jVOpw

>>546316451
REDOUT VR WHEN

>>546316990
frame works in the dark via IR emitters

>>546343540
i need to get redout 2 next time it's on sale and try it with UEVR because apparently UEVR works really well with it and it ends up being a better experience than native VR redout 1

>>546308857
Tell your boss to fix the website certificates, shill

Anyone know how I can record from Steam? The recording is corrupted every time I try the built in screen recorder

This is the first time I hear about the lighthouse shit, your snowflake tech was adopted by exactly 0 competitors so get fucked, Valve pushes the industry forward and to do that it has to start off from where the industry is currently at, so you're getting an upgraded Quest 3

>>546344740
It expired more than 3 years ago.
Most likely the server hosting the site was not updated too. Know any 3-year-old 0days?

>>546345138
>pushes the industry forward
>by first stepping backwards 20 steps
Fuck off you retarded mongoloid who can't mount a fucking base station

>>546345185

>>546342979
not that anon but
>not available in your country

>>546345270
The extra cameras will track the controllers, I don't need to commit an entire area for VR play and now I can play whenever I want

FFFUUUCKKKK I ALREADY SENT MY DICK PICS TO ZUCKERBERG FOR A QUEST 3! I SHOULD HAVE WAITED!!!!!!

>>546345542
Until you want to use full body tracking, sure

>>546345640
full body tracking has no practical use for video games, only chatrooms

>>546336785
I want to join but I don't want to be the target of poo jokes :(. I don't mind being called sir though.

>>546345640
Use the Frame's expansion port for a full body tracker that doesn't rely on an infrared lightshow

>>546345769
VR has no practical use as a gaming media, only to display flat shit

>>546345769
Oh you're the schizo yeah opinion discarded
>>546345946
>a full body tracker that doesn't rely on an infrared lightshow
Don't exist

>>546345951
the funniest thing, the only flatshit it can properly run is text heavy indie garbage
but the panels are too low res for text

>>546345836
I’ve been trying to get you to join for 2-3years now? Please you will not regret

>>546346084
>Don't exist
"Doesn't exist", retarded ESL pajeet.

>>546346084
>Doesn't exist
Exactly loser, you need a better one, one that doesn't rely on a fuckhuge setup, one you can carry anywhere.

>>546346180
A nice clear crisp equivalent area of a 1080p LCD monitor...
I ACTUALLY DONT FUCKING GET IT
Why would I do that shit rather than use my nice gaming monitor
Therer is no fucking way their cutesy little depth effect is worth it

>>546319370
How much better is a Galaxy XR?

>>546346379
Steam Deck sold millions of units with upscaled 800p.

>>546346283
(They) do not exist
Don't exist
Can always count on a fucktard indian to project I suppose because he fails to understand implied words omitted in casual speech.
>>546346367
>"No lighthouses is good, it pushes the industry forward!"
>Untill you want FBT
>"Use a lighthouseless FBT!"
>They don't exist
>"Well yeah DUH they don't exist, you need a better one!!!"
What are you smoking retard

>>546346251
"Please Sir"

>>546346529
>>a full body tracker that doesn't rely on an infrared lightshow
>Don't exist
SAAAAR

Interesting reaction to the question here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7q2CS8HDHU&t=1705s
I was really hoping for an updated steam home that let you easily jump into games with people or just watch them play. I think something like that would be the big feature that could actually drive adoption. Maybe it's not ready yet. They did react funny.

>>546346518
SO YOURE SAYING THERE IS A CHANCE THEY RELEASE AN OLED MODEL

>available in Australia
ok i might actually buy it if it’s not overpriced for us

>>546346529
>he doubles down on his retardness

>>546346529
I'm smoking the "nobody fucking used lighthouse" joint, want some?
It's been
TEN
FUCKING
YEARS
and nobody in their right mind tried to make their version of lighthouse, you need a new one, this one sucks.
Make a mocopi receiver on the expansion port of the Frame and start from there, bam, attach 6 pucks to your body and you can cum in furries anyplace anytime, already better than your shit.
>But I already have my shit
Fuck you, simple as

>didn't want to be trapped in my bedroom for VR so I was waiting for the deckard because I wanted something that could do (GOOD) inside out tracking
>the passthrough is black&white so now i'll have to walk around in a buster keaton film in AR
thanks valve

what are the chances of it being possible to turn the galaxy xr into a super-deckard and wipe android and replace it with linux and have all the hardware work with open source third party software within the next year?

or should i just buy a deckard now and wait 10 years for deckard 2.0 to be better?

>>546346686
Steam deck did make an Oled model, the Frame just has to sell

>>546346686
If it does well I could see it happening in a few years but who knows

>>546346379
>1080p LCD monitor
not even close, retard
1080p monitor is 38 PPD at normal viewing distance
steam feces is something like 24

>>546346958
They did say they were open to other headsets supporting steamOS
Just 2 more weeks anon

>>546346958
passthrough isn't important for VR, that's an AR thing
go steal a vision pro

>>546347197
I want to do spatial computing in it (assuming the resolution is good enough). I want to be aware of my surroundings while i'm working and I don't want to be in a hideous black and white world.

>>546346946
>mocopi

lmaooooooooooo

>>546347396
spacial cringeputing
your only option for 5+ years will be crapple, sorry bub

>>546347113
>steam feces is something like 24
maybe peak, the average would be some like 22

>>546347396
But why? NTA but I have a Q3 and it's passthrough is bretty good but just a novelty.

>>546347482
crapple is glowniggerware, deckard has loonix, it's almost perfect

>>546347113
You thought that 4k dlss smear was bad?
Oh you weren't ready for the 720p fsr grey blur gaming clearly

>>546346657
Post a link to where I can buy lighthouseless FBT trackers, you can't you faggot jeet

>troonix

>>546347683

>>546347649
slimevr and other competitors, you just have to recalibrate ever 3 minutes to avoid drift. or wait for the magical magnetic trackers to come out and hope they are good.

>>546346946
>mocopi
oh wait, you're serious?
Bahahahahaha
Mocopi exists purely for japs to try and scam vtuber wannabees

>>546347621
>almost perfect
spacial computing is a stupid, stupid idea and even the most brainwashed apple goycattle went back to physical screens in less than a month

>>546347649
>literally quotes "a full body tracker"
>replies with "don't exist"
SAAAAAAAR, LOOK LESS VEGANAS ON THE INTERNET AND MORE GRAMMAR BOOK, SAAAR

>>546347845
if brad lynch is to be believed he's been using his for years and got rid of all his monitors

>>546347794
>you just have to recalibrate ever 3 minutes for them to 'work'
Yeah nah that's not what any sane human calls functional

>>546347904
do you also work as a full-time vr shill?

>>546347859
>No link
I accept your concession

>>546348045

how good will the steam frame be at productivity apps where you are reading tiny balls text

>>546308857
>Note: The last update made by the developers was over 3 years ago. The information and timeline described by the developers here may no longer be up to date.

what windows games will actually run at decent settings on the steam frame via their crazy arm translation thing? i have an actual use case for this in that i don't want to own a computer

>>546348259
uh, balatro, random indieslop, rougelites, solitaire

>>546348121
PLEASE REDEEM THE GRAMMAR BOOK BEFORE POSTING IN THIS THREAD, BLOODY BENCHOOD BASTARD
THANK YOU RAPE YOU TOMORROW

>>546348175
lol

>>546348259
lol

>>546348347
DON"T LAUGH AT ME

>>546348259
you could probably play unmodded skyrim in 1080p

>>546348259
If Hades 2 runs good then you can play everything before 2015 with ease.

>>546348460
fuck yea

how could it be powerful enough to run windows pcvr games though i mean thats crazy right

>>546348514
for 45 mins

>>546348559
>run windows pcvr games
It doesn't

>>546348559
What part of "noticeably less powerful than a steam deck" you didn't understand?

>>546348559
The VR games they demoed in standalone mode were Quest 2 ports.

>>546348643
ive never touched a steam deck because im not a baby

>>546348693
>Not a bby
>Posts in /vg/ designated baby general
Kekarooo!

>>546348589
am i the only person in here who has a cable attached to their face at all times

>>546348730
where do you think we are, ERP boy?

>>546348824
Yes, I play beat saber I can't afford to yank my PC whenever I flail my arms around.

>>546348259
As long as it's on steam library it'll probably work

>>546349478
at silky smooth 5 fps
the vrchat transfolks would feel right at home

>>546348730
Hahahaha

should I draw or play VRC tonight

>>546350274
Draw in VRC friends+ instance

>>546350274
drink alchie in pitch darkness while you watch comfort yt sloppa as comfort (European extreme difficulty)

Friendly reminder that there's NA Walkabout Mini Golf tonightor tomorrow figure timezones out yourself at 10PM ET (in ~21h). Hope to see you there.

>>546350340
I'd have to be desktopper and I don't think there would be a ton of point to it switching my trackers to upper body mode might be interesting but I don't want to try and figure that out tonight

>>546348559
It can't run Alyx natively yet, which is a 5-6 year old game

>>546348730
anon are you lost in the cross-board drift

>>546319737
kek

>>546346663
the lack of social stuff is kinda lame

As a Valve Index user of 4+ years, I have been given exactly 0 reasons to "upgrade" to the new Index 0.5.

How the fuck did Gabe manage to alienate both budget and premium VR markets at the same time is astonishing.

>>546318370
i kinda expected it having no depth cams like Q3 but having not even color passthough is IMO a major step back. whether the hardware offering is good depends on the price if they come out not far from Q3 with much better GPU and software its gonna be amazing value if its x2 Q3 its not gonna be amazing value

If new frame is NOT same price as quest 3 or cheaper it is DOA

>>546353249
$900 is probably gonna be it's price point

>>546353249
You don't have to buy a $200 router for the steam frame

>>546335059
thanks for coming frems
see you on sunday for more death note, sanda, and yuugure

>>546353249
~700 to 800 bucks is where I see it coming in and being a strong competitor to the Quest. $900 bucks is pushing it, but if foveation gets enough support, a reasonable argument could be made.

>>546354574
if it's 600 to 700 and ships to more parts of the world than it's a very solid win. In some parts of the world, due to shipping and import fees, a quest ends up costing almost double, and that's money that the zucc is just leaving there on the table for gaben to snatch up.

>>546311961
Gotta add OLED. LCD in 2026 is almost laughable. Also color cameras for being able to play games in VR but with your oom in the background. I genuinely hope you're actually an engineer at Valve. Godspeed.

>>546311961
dick sucking attachment

what is the best headset for productivity now? is it still the air XR

>>546355971
Quest pro right?

im lonely

>>546355971
almost certainly the frame when it comes out next year because it will have a real OS and not some android shit

>>546311003
>pretty confirmed dogshit,
The frame isn't dogshit at all, it's just 2 years late. It's the best wireless headset on the market until the quest pro/samsung XR came out.

>>546356216
why?

>>546356216
Hi, lonely. I'm racist (motorsport variant).

>>546356356
i burnt too many bridges

>>546356216
Hi, lonely. I'm racist (nigger hating variant).

>>546356235
a productivity headset would be simply a display and input device for an actual computer

>>546356378
why'd you do it?

>>546356492
>>546356340
but with lenses that are good enough to read tiny text without hurting your brain

>>546314030
If you actually look up the latency that valve achieved, it actually is the same as wired. We'll see if it's still the case when it comes out but the latency is VERY LOW.

>>546325942
Nice, the used market will be solid. All these retards will use it for like 3 hours, get buyer's remorse then sell it.

>>546356538
Nobody likes me

>>546356837
Have you tried being likable? Maybe you're too racist? Maybe cool it with the transphobia?

>>546356378
nothing that's sucking a few dicks couldn't fix

I'm going to buy a steam frame to play VRChat in desktop

>>546357043

I'm going to buy a steam frame to desktop drink at spawn in a mahjong circle

>>546356216
Wanna be my girlfriend in VRChat?

>>546356492
depends on the productivity needs. For writing emails, power point, spreadsheets, etc, not much compute is actually needed. A headset and bluetooth keyboard would be a sufficient replacement for a similarly priced laptop.

for dev work, a lot more compute would typically needed, but there is the special case of developing VR games and software on real VR hardware, something to my knowledge just isn't possible on any other platform without side loading a file manager and a ton of other shit just to get things sort of working.

>gravity sketch for quest can't export because there is no file manager and isn't really intended for game modeling
>godot for quest has it's projects squirreled away in a strange bubble on the device that can't be accessed by other quest apps
>is there event a good 2d painting suite for quest?
>is there a proper DAW for the quest? I know there is some music sandbox software but not sure how "musical" it really is or more of a music-themed game

>>546356930
too late for that

>>546357297
hint?

25 days of /a/utism groupwatch happening this year?

>>546357484
Yes, I am flirting with you. Can you act like a clingy girl who acts cute and innocent in public and in private instances drains my balls empty?

>the cameras included in the new steam headset are monochromatic
>you have to pay extra to install color cameras

>>546357650
How much do I have to pay extra for OLED displays? I'd like that please

they're monochromatic ir cameras
with regular color cameras passthrough wouldn't work in the dark
it's what lets you see in the dark with a rift s if you have an external ir emitter

>>546353249
it's worth $1500

>>546357560
anon is asking for a hint to your in game name or a link to an instance you are in

>>546359484
Sorry, it is no nut november, I will not be on VRChat until december 1st comes :(

>>546359618
>needing to stop playing vrchat because it will make you goon 24/7
wow, truly crazy vrchat meta

>>546359618
Play forefront!

>>546357650
Sell the transparent shell version Valve.

>>546357650
i don't care about passthrough, but I feel like I could end up using it at least once given that IR illuminators + no IR filter on cameras equals free toy nightvision goggles for home use. it's nothing particularly useful, but i like the gimmick

Looking to play Munchkin again at 21:00 CET tonight. Come join or watch, it's easy to jump in.

Passthrough niggers be like:
When I buy a monitor or TV I do so to enjoy the wall behind it

>no price announcement for deckard
if they'd announce a price i'd know if i should sell my quest 3 or not

>>546362073
Expect ~$900. Valve has said it will be less than the index, and that's all they've said regarding price. However, I wouldn't expect it to be much less at all.
The price could change drastically as well if trump announces another surprise tariff because he saw a tweet about chinese chilli sauce or something

>>546361693
on my quest 3 I usually watch movies in a virtual theatre anyway, however, on 4xvr video player, you can play a movie in a passthrough screen and shit is cool and impressive

when I show off the vr concept to people first thing I do is play youtube or 4xvr videos in a floating window in passthrough, because that's what the future will eventually be, floating screens from confortable low-weight wearable hardware, in my head hardware that displays shit is just for when you are watching with other people, the floating screens in passthrough can go through/over your house or apartment wall's limits, it's neat

also passthrough is a feature in porn apps like deovr player, you only see the woman in your room, I don't think I ever nutted to that more than a few times as a gimmick, but shit IS really cool

>>546362176
i'm not american so tariff prices mean nothing to me

>>546362317
Aren't they manufactured in America anyways so they'd pay tariffs on components and then a further import tax and local taxes? Can't see it being less than €1000 after all that.

>>546362403
idk if it's the same price retail as a quest 3 i can just sell mine for retail - 200 or something and pick up a steam goondeck

>>546362176
>>546362470
This is more likely, nearly double the price of a quest 3.

>>546362403
No they're being made in china.

Any chance they'll sell they headset alone? I'd rather use my knuckles with lighthouse tracking since I have it anyways... What do you all think the headset only price would be, assuming they sell it like that ofc.

>>546362898
you'd think they might because you can get valve index controllers alone but i doubt it

>>546362898
Those controllers are nothing special, they probably add $100 to the price tops. Doubt they'll bother offering headset only for people who want to ghetto rig it into LH system, and doubt you'd get any serious discount on that.

Now that the dust has settled

Should I upgrade from my quest 3

>>546363143
no

>>546363143
meh

>>546363143
No reason to.

>>546363143
Not really, especially if you already invested in a router, headstrap, batteries and other accessories.

>>546363532
Yeah, I have all of that. Guess I’ll be waiting until Quest 4

>>546363617
I think there's a decent chance there won't be a quest 4. If AI doesn't work out, meta is going to cut shit they don't care about.

wait for higher res oled steam frame

>>546363853
Rumor has it that valve will offer different screen options, check again in 2 weeks.

im putting my money right up my ass but nothing is happening it doesn't do anything

>>546357043
will it be able to play the pcvr version without a computer using FEX?

>>546364551
most likely, but not well

Looking to upgrade, do I get a 5070 Ti or a RX 7900 XTX? With VR being the primary usage

>>546365349
The usual adage is that friends don't let friends get AMD for VR and it's still more or less true

>>546365394
why :(

it looks red-tinted-transparent in the LTT video
is it just the different lighting? i still prefer a fully transperant shell

>>546362271
built for BWC

>>546365394
amd is fine for vr

>>546365787
since you see the same tint on the avp on the right it's most likely just a reflection of their camera setup

Alright, I think we're finally cooking.
Technically this is sloppier but I think it looks way better.